OpenAI vs Anthropic IPOs, Anthropic $3T, Zuck's Price War, China Ends Open Source?, Trump Accounts

Episode Timeline

1. 0:00

   The hosts open the episode and discuss their summer travels, the UN AI Commission, and the state of the AI industry.

   • Chamath joined a UN Commission on AI co-chaired by Marc Benioff alongside Jensen Huang, Brad Smith, and Anthony Tan, highlighting how major tech figures are shaping global AI governance.
   • The hosts note that Anthropic co-founder Tom Brown was present at the commission and that sovereign AI strategies are becoming a priority for nearly every country.
   • The episode is framed around a trillion-dollar IPO rush, with SpaceX already public and OpenAI and Anthropic expected to follow.
2. 2:41

   The hosts analyze the SpaceX IPO as a blueprint and debate the timing and valuation of the OpenAI and Anthropic IPOs.

   • SpaceX raised $75 billion at a $1.75 trillion valuation and now trades around $150 per share, roughly at its IPO price with a $2 trillion market cap.
   • Brad argues the SpaceX IPO was textbook, pioneering staged lockup releases and early index inclusion, which provides a blueprint for Anthropic and OpenAI.
   • Gavin Baker reportedly believes Anthropic could end 2026 with over $100 billion in revenue and trade at $3 trillion if it went public now.
   • Chamath warns that token costs are doubling every 45 days while downstream productivity gains are only about 5%, suggesting companies should IPO before this reckoning spreads.
3. 8:49

   The hosts debate whether OpenAI or Anthropic will go public first and how the market will value them.

   • Brad says the chances of both companies going public within six to nine months are very high, absent a black swan event like a Taiwan blockade.
   • OpenAI is rumored to be on a roughly $70 billion revenue run rate while Anthropic is rumored to exceed $100 billion, but OpenAI has regained momentum with new models like GPT-6.
   • Brad notes that once a company is valued over a trillion dollars, the get-rich-quick phase is over, but these companies can still compound revenue at over 30% annually.

Key Concepts

• Anthropic IPO— Anthropic confidentially filed on June 1st and Polymarket gives a 65% chance of an IPO this year, with Gavin Baker predicting a $3T valuation.
• OpenAI IPO— OpenAI is slated to go public alongside Anthropic, but its high cash burn and consumer reliance make its path different.
• token costs doubling— Chamath's CTO revealed token costs are doubling every 45 days while productivity gains are only about 5%, forcing a reckoning.

Notable Quotes

• Right now, our token costs are doubling every 45 days.

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  — Reveals a hidden and alarming cost trajectory that most enterprises are not yet tracking, showing the economic reckoning coming for AI adopters.

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• I think that opensource went from 19% last year to 11% this year. So open source as a share of enterprise spending is actually decreasing.

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  — Directly overturns the widely-held assumption that open source is killing closed frontier models, showing the opposite trend in enterprise spending.

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Actionable Takeaways